FRANKYFIGGS
Crossbow crafting
12/17/2015 02:05 AM CST
Hows it going? any quirks or difficulties or randomly interesting things going on with xbows or it's crafting?
DR-KODIUS
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/17/2015 02:07 PM CST
Crossbow crafting is finished in Dev. Finalizing some work on bolt making. Then its off to the Test instance.
I'm not sure how folks will find it. Crossbows use more wood and mechanisms than bows, but also sell for more money. Otherwise they are similar with similar characteristics.
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
I'm not sure how folks will find it. Crossbows use more wood and mechanisms than bows, but also sell for more money. Otherwise they are similar with similar characteristics.
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
NINEVAH1
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/17/2015 05:45 PM CST
>>Then its off to the Test instance.
Can't wait. Early Christmas present maybe?
Can't wait. Early Christmas present maybe?
FRANKYFIGGS
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/19/2015 04:37 PM CST
is the lack of oomf part of what makes ya question how revamped xbows might be received by the players? the lower rt with the inherent lower dmg?
i believe bows suffered that to some extent. can arbalests still rock face?
BENNETTJ13
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/19/2015 05:28 PM CST
Arbs are fine as long as you are willing to wait 353453453 seconds of load RT. lol
Monster Elec
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FRANKYFIGGS
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/19/2015 06:02 PM CST
hrmm. similar stats to a bow...that means balance for arbs?
DR-KODIUS
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/19/2015 11:09 PM CST
The initial Tinkering release featuring Crossbow and Bolt crafting is now live in Test if you'd like to play with it. A few notes about the new system -
The base ingredient for Crossbows is of course, wood. Wood affinities were expanded so Shortbow = Arbalest, Longbow = Heavy Crossbow, and Composite bow = Light crossbow.
Tinkered items usually require mechanisms as one of the ingredients. These can be made from a GEAR PRESS tool in the crafting halls. They are made by pushing/pulling the device with an ingot, and the resulting mechanisms can stack. Metal has a new ductility attribute you can observe by appraising it carefully. High ductility mechanisms will bonus the crossbow's balance. Very low ductility mechanisms will greatly penalize balance, but provide a small boost to power.
Old crossbow stats did not change. Nor did their damage significantly.
New crossbows have new power/balance/draw_strength stats appropriately balanced for their RTs. They are NOT comparable with old crossbows. They are NOT comparable with stick bows. Stickbows spanned the range of power levels, so it wasn't possible to add crossbows/arbs on top of that. There just wasn't enough range leftover :(
New light and heavy crossbows should do more damage than the old ones with the same RT, but in general the new crossbows feature reduced RTs.
New crossbows do not benefit from strength/skill RT reductions. This was necessary so crossbows weren't "handicapped" compared to stick bows and other weapon types. Let's get through balance testing and we can see if it makes sense to somehow throw in somewhere.
Arbalests should now feature much lower RTs for loading. The damage will be a bit lower due to the faster loading RTs, but appropriate on a pure math-based DPS calculation.
Crossbow bolt crafting works very similar to arrow crafting. You must now specify which type of shaft to craft when shaping it. SHAPE LUMBER INTO BOLT SHAFT or ARROW SHAFT. It uses the same animal parts for now. That may change if I find a few weeks to expand the associated systems more.
That should cover the important parts. Please discuss it over in the appropriate Lore folder for now.
Thanks!
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
The base ingredient for Crossbows is of course, wood. Wood affinities were expanded so Shortbow = Arbalest, Longbow = Heavy Crossbow, and Composite bow = Light crossbow.
Tinkered items usually require mechanisms as one of the ingredients. These can be made from a GEAR PRESS tool in the crafting halls. They are made by pushing/pulling the device with an ingot, and the resulting mechanisms can stack. Metal has a new ductility attribute you can observe by appraising it carefully. High ductility mechanisms will bonus the crossbow's balance. Very low ductility mechanisms will greatly penalize balance, but provide a small boost to power.
Old crossbow stats did not change. Nor did their damage significantly.
New crossbows have new power/balance/draw_strength stats appropriately balanced for their RTs. They are NOT comparable with old crossbows. They are NOT comparable with stick bows. Stickbows spanned the range of power levels, so it wasn't possible to add crossbows/arbs on top of that. There just wasn't enough range leftover :(
New light and heavy crossbows should do more damage than the old ones with the same RT, but in general the new crossbows feature reduced RTs.
New crossbows do not benefit from strength/skill RT reductions. This was necessary so crossbows weren't "handicapped" compared to stick bows and other weapon types. Let's get through balance testing and we can see if it makes sense to somehow throw in somewhere.
Arbalests should now feature much lower RTs for loading. The damage will be a bit lower due to the faster loading RTs, but appropriate on a pure math-based DPS calculation.
Crossbow bolt crafting works very similar to arrow crafting. You must now specify which type of shaft to craft when shaping it. SHAPE LUMBER INTO BOLT SHAFT or ARROW SHAFT. It uses the same animal parts for now. That may change if I find a few weeks to expand the associated systems more.
That should cover the important parts. Please discuss it over in the appropriate Lore folder for now.
Thanks!
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
TOTLIIO
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 12:16 AM CST
What about repeaters? I know you mentioned they were a little op (the 14x especially). are those still planned to be retired?
BENNETTJ13
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 12:38 AM CST
Curious...
So an Arbalest is now the crossbow equivalent of a Shortbow? That's kind of the exact opposite of things isn't it? Traditionally Arbalests have been the biggest, heaviest, longest loading crossbows IG.
Monster Elec
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So an Arbalest is now the crossbow equivalent of a Shortbow? That's kind of the exact opposite of things isn't it? Traditionally Arbalests have been the biggest, heaviest, longest loading crossbows IG.
Monster Elec
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ABSOLON
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 12:43 AM CST
<<Arbalests should now feature much lower RTs for loading. The damage will be a bit lower due to the faster loading RTs, but appropriate on a pure math-based DPS calculation.
<<So an Arbalest is now the crossbow equivalent of a Shortbow? That's kind of the exact opposite of things isn't it? Traditionally Arbalests have been the biggest, heaviest, longest loading crossbows IG.
Much faster relative to what they used to be, not faster relative to all other crossbows. They're still the composite bow of the crossbow template.
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<<So an Arbalest is now the crossbow equivalent of a Shortbow? That's kind of the exact opposite of things isn't it? Traditionally Arbalests have been the biggest, heaviest, longest loading crossbows IG.
Much faster relative to what they used to be, not faster relative to all other crossbows. They're still the composite bow of the crossbow template.
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BENNETTJ13
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 12:44 AM CST
Not according to his post... according to his bost, comp bows are akin to light crossbows. I think he switched them around perhaps? I don't know if it was a typo or if he did it IG. I haven't and won't be testing the crafting of them as I don't craft.
Monster Elec
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FAMEBRIGHT
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 01:05 AM CST
All he wrote is that arbalasts are made with the same wood as shortbows.
Your search-fu is pig dung!
Your search-fu is pig dung!
ABSOLON
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 01:10 AM CST
Yes, that line was just about wood affinities. I.e. which wood is more suited to making which type of crossbow or bow. It has nothing to do with the base templates.
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DR-KODIUS
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 02:53 AM CST
Arbs are still the heaviest of crossbows. But I swapped wood affinities to keep things interesting...
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
DR-KODIUS
Re: Crossbow crafting
12/20/2015 02:54 AM CST
You won't be crafting repeaters, if that is what you mean? I don't foresee any of more the current crop being given away in auctions/quests either.
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
"I have no data yet. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts."
- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes
