Anyone have any idea how to get to mind lock using a heavy crossbow? I can shoot it for an hour before it gets locked, way too long. I have other weapons at the same rank that get locked out in a matter of minutes, but like i said, when I use HX.. its like it will never get locked.

>>There is no way, welcome to the suck.

To be clear, this comment is not being overly facetious. Training crossbow really is that rough, and an hour to lock it is about right. I can get it down to about 45min if I try REAL hard and don't do anything but pick up spent ammo (like skin, HUNT, appraise, etc).

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~The Prydaen~

Question about the museum reduced load: what's the total end load time? Does the reduction replace the skill based ones? Does the quiver reduction add?

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I am hunting beisswurms and my HX is 62 ranks.

Using Eagle Dance, a stonebow, and diamondique sling ammo, I can lock LX in about ~9 minutes at 190 ranks. Nothing else even comes close.

>Using Eagle Dance, a stonebow, and diamondique sling ammo,

>It must get better later on. Using a Forester's Crossbow and quads,

Well, he's using a stonebow, which has a 5/6 load, along with capped carved sling ammo, so he's getting off twice as many shots per unit time. Especially is he already has an RT reduction.

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>>Stonebow benefits more from mid-underhunting - it's capable of big damage but not as big overall as quads(missing stat). So to maximize potential you aim at the low to mid range(where damage is high and aim time is nix or minimal). And you win from the major RT reduction

That's more or less what I was assuming must be the case, based on our two experiences. Thanks for clarifying/confirming.

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Stonebow really doesn't apply to the HX scenario though. Training for HX just sucks. No other weapon I train with trains as slow. And I do everything I can think of maximize it- reduced load time HX, cleric offensive commune, superior ammo.

Seriously- if you have only 62 ranks- dump HX and focus on anything else- HT or LX come to mind.

>> Seriously- if you have only 62 ranks- dump HX and focus on anything else- HT or LX come to mind.

+1

If you go thrown, I'd recommend LT over HT. Blades are incomparable in quality to other thrown weapons in their current form - this may change, though. (they were talking an HT version of throwing blades)

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"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

>> Keep in mind that HX and LX are combining in 3.0, so it might be to your benefit to train what you feel teaches more "effectively," even though it might not be the class of weapon you really want to use pre-combine.

I don't think there's any argument that HX doesn't universally suck - the load times are absurd even by crossbow standards, the damage isn't really any better than LX since ammo is the primary factor, and it's much harder to train even with all the hax. Quite easily the worst weapon type in the game, all things considered especially with the new forging system.

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"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

So for any of you Plat players who are testing 3.0: How's crossbow training in 3.0 so far? Is it manageable finally?

No direct experience with it, what I've heard is that it moves on par with other ranged.

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I suspect the former, that the varied templates will be specialized for things, rather than 'everything will train awesome!'.

Sort of like how LE and ME will both be 'light edges' weapons in DR3, but both retain different functions and specialties and backstab stuff.

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>> I know that I will be. Will use a Nisha bow to train, and probably use a hunter's longbow for PvP.

It might not be that straightforward - didn't they say damage was going to be the primary factor in experience gain? If you weren't capping or almost capping every shot regardless of what bow you use(which is standard nowadays), damage might end up higher on the priority list - we're still basing our models on 2.0 where speed + moderate damage end up being much more efficient than slower, high end damage.

If bows end up working similar to how blades/blunts are supposed to, high damage hits might teach better. Or it could be the opposite, where dps is tilted in favor of faster weapons. From what I've been told, you get hit a LOT more in 3.0 - and 90% of those hits end up are like, good/solid until your vitality drops below a certain point.

So who knows.

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"Fool proof system do not take into account the ingenuity of fools, nor the power of numbers."

I hope 3.0 solves the HX issue- well it will if nothing else because I can switch to LX though that wouldn't be my preference.

How bad is HX right now? I Mindlocked HE faster last night just by parrying than I do using HX - with reduced loads, Museum HX, cleric offensive commune. I have found a creature which teaches Flavius better HX than anything else recently- but oh so painfully slow even so.