Beginning Gnome ranger here looking for some light armor info/advice. More specifically the padded <cloth> mantle or padded <cloth> vest.
For RP reasons, I'd prefer to wear a mantle, but if the costs are too high (buying a padded <cloth> cap + padded <cloth> mask), I can wear the vest. Wearing a tabard just feels too high class, but I would be interested in the weight/appraisals. Also, I am choosing common materials to help keep costs down. I've searched on elanthipedia, but the entries are blank. I've made a few gold completing orders at the Crossings Society and would like to offer it as payment to the creator of said masterfully crafted item(s).
Questions:
-Which would be lighter: burlap or wool?
-Does the (fine,thin,average,etc) density affect weight, hindrance, construction or a combination of them?
-Would sealing it with wax be better or lightening it?
-Main goal is a chest armor that is under 112 stones, yet similar or better protection to a rugged leather jerkin, could it be attained?
-Any outfitters up for the challenge?
Thanks for reading and happy tailoring!
Ikaikai, Gnome.
DAGOMYR
ISHARON
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 03:30 AM CDT
>>Dagomyr: Beginning Gnome ranger here looking for some light armor info/advice.
Here are some resources that might help you:
My armor and shield player guide (I highly suggest reading this before shopping): https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Armor_and_shield_player_guide
My item stat spreadsheet (weapons, shields, and armor that I've appraised): http://www.elanthia.org/Charts/ItemStats.xls
My list of Trader-owned shops an inventory: http://www.elanthia.org/TraderShops/
list of players who have opted to be listed as tailors/outfitters: https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Player_Tailors
>>Dagomyr: -Does the (fine,thin,average,etc) density affect weight, hindrance, construction or a combination of them?
Cloth thickness affects protection, absorption, weight, and maneuvering hindrance (but not stealth hindrance).
>>Dagomyr: -Would sealing it with wax be better or lightening it?
Luckily, you don't have to choose; you can do both. All armor can be sealed/tempered. This increases durability (the amount of use it takes for the item to become damaged). This should always be done, as there are no drawbacks.
Additionally, you can elect to either lighten or reinforce armor. Lightening reduces weight by 10% but does not affect any other stats. Reinforcing increases protection, hindrance, and weight. Most non-Paladins prefer to lighten their armor.
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Here are some resources that might help you:
My armor and shield player guide (I highly suggest reading this before shopping): https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Armor_and_shield_player_guide
My item stat spreadsheet (weapons, shields, and armor that I've appraised): http://www.elanthia.org/Charts/ItemStats.xls
My list of Trader-owned shops an inventory: http://www.elanthia.org/TraderShops/
list of players who have opted to be listed as tailors/outfitters: https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Player_Tailors
>>Dagomyr: -Does the (fine,thin,average,etc) density affect weight, hindrance, construction or a combination of them?
Cloth thickness affects protection, absorption, weight, and maneuvering hindrance (but not stealth hindrance).
>>Dagomyr: -Would sealing it with wax be better or lightening it?
Luckily, you don't have to choose; you can do both. All armor can be sealed/tempered. This increases durability (the amount of use it takes for the item to become damaged). This should always be done, as there are no drawbacks.
Additionally, you can elect to either lighten or reinforce armor. Lightening reduces weight by 10% but does not affect any other stats. Reinforcing increases protection, hindrance, and weight. Most non-Paladins prefer to lighten their armor.
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GODKING
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 06:33 AM CDT
My gnome ranger just started out with the leather armor from the Arthur Dale shop. He's still wearing it (though it has been dyed).
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HEXEDBYTHENET
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 10:34 AM CDT
>Any outfitters up for the challenge?
Definitely check out Isharon's links and if you're wanting to know more, then look up Malakye in the game. It's not a challenge at all.
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Definitely check out Isharon's links and if you're wanting to know more, then look up Malakye in the game. It's not a challenge at all.
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DAGOMYR
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 12:44 PM CDT
@Malakye I see that you are on at the moment, but how can I find you? It seems I am limited in travel at the moment. -grins-
@Isharon Thanks for those links, but there wasn't an appraisal for a cloth vest or mantle, there was for leather though.
@Godking I like Arthe Dale also, I'm currently using the cooking pot lid.
Thanks in advance!
-Ikaikai, Gnome
@Isharon Thanks for those links, but there wasn't an appraisal for a cloth vest or mantle, there was for leather though.
@Godking I like Arthe Dale also, I'm currently using the cooking pot lid.
Thanks in advance!
-Ikaikai, Gnome
HEXEDBYTHENET
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 01:02 PM CDT
>@Malakye I see that you are on at the moment, but how can I find you? It seems I am limited in travel at the moment. -grins-
If you're in Crossings right now and still watching the boards, come by the Market Tent in the city ( just use DIR PLAZA but instead of going in the plaza, go in the tent) Malakye will be there for the next couple hours or so.
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If you're in Crossings right now and still watching the boards, come by the Market Tent in the city ( just use DIR PLAZA but instead of going in the plaza, go in the tent) Malakye will be there for the next couple hours or so.
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ISHARON
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:07 PM CDT
>>Dagomyr: @Isharon Thanks for those links, but there wasn't an appraisal for a cloth vest or mantle, there was for leather though.
Other pieces made from the same material and template will have similar protection and absorption stats. (However, the weight and hindrance will differ depending on the size of the piece.) I usually look at the largest available pieces (hauberk/leathers) when comparing different materials, as looking at something small like gloves won't give you a good idea of how hindrance and weight really compare.
>>Dagomyr: @Godking I like Arthe Dale also, I'm currently using the cooking pot lid.
If you're not ready to pay for player-made shields, the reinforced cougar-hide targe (70 stones, trivial hindrance) from Bukor's Leatherworks is pretty good. Otherwise, I'd consider looking for a player-made leather small shield. (The small shield is the smallest, lightest, least hindering shield template.)
For example, here is a small crimson-scale shield with fitted seams (30 plats at Wicked Witch):
You are certain that it imposes trivial (2/15) maneuvering hindrance.
This shield is small in size.
Your experience with shields allows a better appraisal of the protection capabilities.
You are certain that the shield offers terrible (2/26) to moderately good (11/26) protection.
You are certain that it could do:
no (0/27) puncture damage
no (0/27) slice damage
somewhat heavy (8/27) impact damage
no (0/27) fire damage
no (0/27) cold damage
no (0/27) electric damage
You are certain that the shield is fairly (5/17) balanced and is poorly (3/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the small shield is appreciably susceptible to damage (7/18), and is practically in mint condition (90-97%).
The small shield came from skins that were average in size.
It appears that the small shield can be worn on the left arm.
You are certain that the small shield weighs exactly 22 stones.
You are certain that the small shield is worth exactly 6806 Kronars.
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Other pieces made from the same material and template will have similar protection and absorption stats. (However, the weight and hindrance will differ depending on the size of the piece.) I usually look at the largest available pieces (hauberk/leathers) when comparing different materials, as looking at something small like gloves won't give you a good idea of how hindrance and weight really compare.
>>Dagomyr: @Godking I like Arthe Dale also, I'm currently using the cooking pot lid.
If you're not ready to pay for player-made shields, the reinforced cougar-hide targe (70 stones, trivial hindrance) from Bukor's Leatherworks is pretty good. Otherwise, I'd consider looking for a player-made leather small shield. (The small shield is the smallest, lightest, least hindering shield template.)
For example, here is a small crimson-scale shield with fitted seams (30 plats at Wicked Witch):
You are certain that it imposes trivial (2/15) maneuvering hindrance.
This shield is small in size.
Your experience with shields allows a better appraisal of the protection capabilities.
You are certain that the shield offers terrible (2/26) to moderately good (11/26) protection.
You are certain that it could do:
no (0/27) puncture damage
no (0/27) slice damage
somewhat heavy (8/27) impact damage
no (0/27) fire damage
no (0/27) cold damage
no (0/27) electric damage
You are certain that the shield is fairly (5/17) balanced and is poorly (3/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the small shield is appreciably susceptible to damage (7/18), and is practically in mint condition (90-97%).
The small shield came from skins that were average in size.
It appears that the small shield can be worn on the left arm.
You are certain that the small shield weighs exactly 22 stones.
You are certain that the small shield is worth exactly 6806 Kronars.
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ABSOLON
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:16 PM CDT
<<If you're not ready to pay for player-made shields, the reinforced cougar-hide targe (70 stones, trivial hindrance) from Bukor's Leatherworks is pretty good. Otherwise, I'd consider looking for a player-made leather small shield. (The small shield is the smallest, lightest, least hindering shield template.)
Maybe the stats in the range are slightly higher, but the metal target shield from Tembeg's Armoury has the same appraisal as that targe from the leatherworks but with better resistance to damage and lower cost.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Shield:Metal_target_shield
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Shield:Reinforced_cougar-hide_targe
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Maybe the stats in the range are slightly higher, but the metal target shield from Tembeg's Armoury has the same appraisal as that targe from the leatherworks but with better resistance to damage and lower cost.
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Shield:Metal_target_shield
https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Shield:Reinforced_cougar-hide_targe
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PCIZZLE99
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:18 PM CDT
>>If you're not ready to pay for player-made shields, the reinforced cougar-hide targe (70 stones, trivial hindrance) from Bukor's Leatherworks is pretty good. Otherwise, I'd consider looking for a player-made leather small shield. (The small shield is the smallest, lightest, least hindering shield template.)
Just one small thing, the target shields actually have the lowest hindrance. They app the same as this lumium tipar:
You are certain that it imposes insignificant (1/15) maneuvering hindrance.
This shield is small in size.
You are certain that the sipar offers dismal (3/26) to fair (8/26) protection.
You are certain that it could do:
no (0/27) puncture damage
no (0/27) slice damage
somewhat heavy (8/27) impact damage
no (0/27) fire damage
no (0/27) cold damage
no (0/27) electric damage
You are certain that the sipar is decently (6/17) balanced and is poorly (3/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the round sipar is rather reinforced against damage (11/18), and is in good condition (80-89%).
The round sipar is made with metal.
It appears that the round sipar can be worn on the left arm.
You are certain that the round sipar weighs about 42 stones.
You are certain that the round sipar is worth exactly 130665 Lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
Just one small thing, the target shields actually have the lowest hindrance. They app the same as this lumium tipar:
You are certain that it imposes insignificant (1/15) maneuvering hindrance.
This shield is small in size.
You are certain that the sipar offers dismal (3/26) to fair (8/26) protection.
You are certain that it could do:
no (0/27) puncture damage
no (0/27) slice damage
somewhat heavy (8/27) impact damage
no (0/27) fire damage
no (0/27) cold damage
no (0/27) electric damage
You are certain that the sipar is decently (6/17) balanced and is poorly (3/17) suited to gaining extra attack power from your strength.
You are certain that the round sipar is rather reinforced against damage (11/18), and is in good condition (80-89%).
The round sipar is made with metal.
It appears that the round sipar can be worn on the left arm.
You are certain that the round sipar weighs about 42 stones.
You are certain that the round sipar is worth exactly 130665 Lirums.
Roundtime: 8 seconds.
ABSOLON
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:21 PM CDT
I'm fairly sure she meant the small shield template in general (i.e. 'This shield is small in size.') and not the 'small shield' noun.
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HEXEDBYTHENET
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:39 PM CDT
>Just one small thing, the target shields actually have the lowest hindrance.
Not quite. It really depends on the leather used. Both templates are able to hit insignificant hindrance, however, the bottom end protection is ofter 1 point less and top protection is 1-3 points less on average when compared to a small shield.
Generally if you have a low density material, you're better off going with a small shield for the protection advantage over the target shield. If you have a high density material but still want to have a less hindering shield, then yeah target might be a viable option.
These are all reasons why it's best to ask these sort of questions to someone who knows about the craft rather then just go with blanket information based on what others use.
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Not quite. It really depends on the leather used. Both templates are able to hit insignificant hindrance, however, the bottom end protection is ofter 1 point less and top protection is 1-3 points less on average when compared to a small shield.
Generally if you have a low density material, you're better off going with a small shield for the protection advantage over the target shield. If you have a high density material but still want to have a less hindering shield, then yeah target might be a viable option.
These are all reasons why it's best to ask these sort of questions to someone who knows about the craft rather then just go with blanket information based on what others use.
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ISHARON
Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:49 PM CDT
>>Pcizzle99: Just one small thing, the target shields actually have the lowest hindrance. They app the same as this lumium tipar:
>>Absolon: I'm fairly sure she meant the small shield template in general (i.e. 'This shield is small in size.') and not the 'small shield' noun.
I was referring specifically to leather small shields. (In leather shields, target shields are the largest small template.)
I'm not really a fan of metal small shields. While they often have a higher minimum defense, they weigh a lot for what you get, especially when you consider that they also come with lower maximum defense. While this can be acceptable for novice users (who don't have the skill to take full advantage of the shield's maximum defense), races like Gnomes need to minimize weight as much as possible when they are starting out.
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>>Absolon: I'm fairly sure she meant the small shield template in general (i.e. 'This shield is small in size.') and not the 'small shield' noun.
I was referring specifically to leather small shields. (In leather shields, target shields are the largest small template.)
I'm not really a fan of metal small shields. While they often have a higher minimum defense, they weigh a lot for what you get, especially when you consider that they also come with lower maximum defense. While this can be acceptable for novice users (who don't have the skill to take full advantage of the shield's maximum defense), races like Gnomes need to minimize weight as much as possible when they are starting out.
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Re: Looking for cloth armor advice & tailor.
09/04/2015 05:59 PM CDT
>races like Gnomes need to minimize weight as much as possible when they are starting out.
Totally agreed. Which is also why I made the OP a padded fine silk shirt instead of wool or burlap. Because the weight is just leaps and bounds better. I calculated that doing that shirt was roughly 1/3 the weight from his current storebought rugged jerkin and rugged vambraces.
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Totally agreed. Which is also why I made the OP a padded fine silk shirt instead of wool or burlap. Because the weight is just leaps and bounds better. I calculated that doing that shirt was roughly 1/3 the weight from his current storebought rugged jerkin and rugged vambraces.
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