Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:06 PM CST
> Bow: 812 90% thoughtful (4/34) +0.16

Any tips on how to effectively learning bow skill? I am struggling to learn bow since 3.0 rolled out. I've experimented with longer and shorter aim times and it doesn't seem to make a difference. It is taking me an average of 700 seconds (11 minutes) to get to 20/34 in Small Edge at comparable skill, versus about 1900 seconds (31 minutes) to get to only 15/34.

I currently use a Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows, and hunt juvies. Also, I moved to adults and saw no appreciable difference in learning rate in bow.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:14 PM CST
>> broad-barbed arrows

There's your problem right there.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:21 PM CST

Is basilisk the only way to fly?
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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:29 PM CST
>>Is basilisk the only way to fly?

Pretty much. An arrow constitutes about 90% of a bow attack's power, with the bow itself providing only balance and suitability. Pick yourself up some deadly arrows, overhunt using the obscene full aim bonus, and enjoy.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:31 PM CST
I thought damage done was divorced from exp granted for an attack action?

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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:33 PM CST

Can you elaborate on this portion of your post?

>using the obscene full aim bonus
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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:33 PM CST
>>I thought damage done was divorced from exp granted for an attack action?

It's not the end-all of experience like it was in 2.0 but it's still definitely a factor.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 07:41 PM CST
>I thought damage done was divorced from exp granted for an attack action?

Mostly, but not completely.



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Re: Trouble learning 02/14/2013 09:26 PM CST

As a weapon secondary I feel like I'm learning bow at a reasonable rate with about 50 more ranks in adults. 800 seems a smidge high for juveniles. Ill do some testing to find out how long it's taking to lock. I also train with a nisha and broad-barbed arrows and haven't perceived any slowness, tests inc tomorrow.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/15/2013 04:29 PM CST
Here are a few tests with Bow learning at secondary rate, each test was performed with 0/34 in Bows in adult armadillos and reset by filling a favor orb.

Relevant stats:

Bows: 856 Ranks

Strength: 50
Agility: 99
Discipline: 99
Intelligence: 70
Wisdom: 70

Buffs:
See the Wind at 90 mana
Hands of Lirissa for Dual loading

Test 1: Dual loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.

Items Used - Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows from Mer'kresh.

Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:

4:35:28/4:43:42/8 minutes 14 seconds with skinning/6 minutes 54 seconds without skinning.

Test 2: Single loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.

Items Used - Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows from Mer'kresh.

Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:

4:47:03/5:01:12/14 minutes and 9 seconds with skinning/12 minutes 49 seconds without skinning.

Test 3: Dual loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.

Items Used - Nisha short bow, capped basilisk arrows.

Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:

5:04:55/5:12:25/7 minutes and 30 seconds with skinning/6 minutes 10 seconds without skinning.

TLDR

Test 1 - Locked Bows at 856 ranks in 6 minutes 54 seconds using dual load broad-barbed arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Test 2 - Locked Bows at 856 ranks in 12 minutes 49 seconds using single load broad-barbed arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Test 3 - Locked bows at 856 ranks in 6 minutes 10 seconds using dual load capped basilisk arrows and a Nisha short bow.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/15/2013 06:12 PM CST
If I still had dual load this probably wouldn't be an issue at all. :-(

Thanks for your test though, that does clarify things a bit.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/15/2013 06:14 PM CST
> If I still had dual load this probably wouldn't be an issue at all. :-(

If you require specific weapons or moves to train a skill, I'd say that it's broken.



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Re: Trouble learning 02/15/2013 10:03 PM CST
14 minutes still locked bow without dual load. Seems pretty reasonable but were talking secondary vs primary. That's a big difference in lock time try adults again?
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Re: Trouble learning 02/22/2013 06:33 PM CST
Adults:

Skill - 816
Agility - 80
Guild - Barbarian
Buffs - Eagle & Panther

Method - Single load, aim for 7 seconds (equivalent of full aim), fire. The only time I was not shooting was when I was skinning, which consists of 30-32 seconds of actions between skinning, tactics, hunt, and roaring.

Total time to 33/34 - 1448 seconds (24 minutes)

Better, but still not ideal considering melee at the same ranks takes roughly 7 minutes max.
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Re: Trouble learning 02/28/2013 10:59 PM CST
This has been fixed: http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Combat%20-%20Weapons%20and%20Armor/Game%20Master%20and%20Official%20Announcements/view/176

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Re: Trouble learning 03/04/2013 11:50 AM CST
Any idea when this will make it to TF?



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