> Bow: 812 90% thoughtful (4/34) +0.16
Any tips on how to effectively learning bow skill? I am struggling to learn bow since 3.0 rolled out. I've experimented with longer and shorter aim times and it doesn't seem to make a difference. It is taking me an average of 700 seconds (11 minutes) to get to 20/34 in Small Edge at comparable skill, versus about 1900 seconds (31 minutes) to get to only 15/34.
I currently use a Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows, and hunt juvies. Also, I moved to adults and saw no appreciable difference in learning rate in bow.
BARRACUDA
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 07:14 PM CST
>> broad-barbed arrows
There's your problem right there.
There's your problem right there.
BARRACUDA
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 07:29 PM CST
>>Is basilisk the only way to fly?
Pretty much. An arrow constitutes about 90% of a bow attack's power, with the bow itself providing only balance and suitability. Pick yourself up some deadly arrows, overhunt using the obscene full aim bonus, and enjoy.
Pretty much. An arrow constitutes about 90% of a bow attack's power, with the bow itself providing only balance and suitability. Pick yourself up some deadly arrows, overhunt using the obscene full aim bonus, and enjoy.
BEVERAGEK
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 07:31 PM CST
I thought damage done was divorced from exp granted for an attack action?
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BARRACUDA
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 07:33 PM CST
Can you elaborate on this portion of your post?
>using the obscene full aim bonus
DIMINISHEDANGEL
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 07:33 PM CST
>>I thought damage done was divorced from exp granted for an attack action?
It's not the end-all of experience like it was in 2.0 but it's still definitely a factor.
It's not the end-all of experience like it was in 2.0 but it's still definitely a factor.
RAIST
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 07:41 PM CST
>I thought damage done was divorced from exp granted for an attack action?
Mostly, but not completely.
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Mostly, but not completely.
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HEASTRENFHERO
Re: Trouble learning
02/14/2013 09:26 PM CST
As a weapon secondary I feel like I'm learning bow at a reasonable rate with about 50 more ranks in adults. 800 seems a smidge high for juveniles. Ill do some testing to find out how long it's taking to lock. I also train with a nisha and broad-barbed arrows and haven't perceived any slowness, tests inc tomorrow.
HEASTRENFHERO
Re: Trouble learning
02/15/2013 04:29 PM CST
Here are a few tests with Bow learning at secondary rate, each test was performed with 0/34 in Bows in adult armadillos and reset by filling a favor orb.
Relevant stats:
Bows: 856 Ranks
Strength: 50
Agility: 99
Discipline: 99
Intelligence: 70
Wisdom: 70
Buffs:
See the Wind at 90 mana
Hands of Lirissa for Dual loading
Test 1: Dual loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.
Items Used - Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows from Mer'kresh.
Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:
4:35:28/4:43:42/8 minutes 14 seconds with skinning/6 minutes 54 seconds without skinning.
Test 2: Single loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.
Items Used - Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows from Mer'kresh.
Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:
4:47:03/5:01:12/14 minutes and 9 seconds with skinning/12 minutes 49 seconds without skinning.
Test 3: Dual loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.
Items Used - Nisha short bow, capped basilisk arrows.
Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:
5:04:55/5:12:25/7 minutes and 30 seconds with skinning/6 minutes 10 seconds without skinning.
TLDR
Test 1 - Locked Bows at 856 ranks in 6 minutes 54 seconds using dual load broad-barbed arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Test 2 - Locked Bows at 856 ranks in 12 minutes 49 seconds using single load broad-barbed arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Test 3 - Locked bows at 856 ranks in 6 minutes 10 seconds using dual load capped basilisk arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Relevant stats:
Bows: 856 Ranks
Strength: 50
Agility: 99
Discipline: 99
Intelligence: 70
Wisdom: 70
Buffs:
See the Wind at 90 mana
Hands of Lirissa for Dual loading
Test 1: Dual loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.
Items Used - Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows from Mer'kresh.
Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:
4:35:28/4:43:42/8 minutes 14 seconds with skinning/6 minutes 54 seconds without skinning.
Test 2: Single loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.
Items Used - Nisha short bow, broad-barbed arrows from Mer'kresh.
Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:
4:47:03/5:01:12/14 minutes and 9 seconds with skinning/12 minutes 49 seconds without skinning.
Test 3: Dual loaded full aim on each shot, after each death 3 arranges were done and 1 skin totaling 8 seconds of additional roundtime were performed. Over 10 deaths 1 minute and 20 seconds of additional RT was performed from skinning.
Items Used - Nisha short bow, capped basilisk arrows.
Start Time/End Time/Total time to lock:
5:04:55/5:12:25/7 minutes and 30 seconds with skinning/6 minutes 10 seconds without skinning.
TLDR
Test 1 - Locked Bows at 856 ranks in 6 minutes 54 seconds using dual load broad-barbed arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Test 2 - Locked Bows at 856 ranks in 12 minutes 49 seconds using single load broad-barbed arrows and a Nisha short bow.
Test 3 - Locked bows at 856 ranks in 6 minutes 10 seconds using dual load capped basilisk arrows and a Nisha short bow.
BARRACUDA
Re: Trouble learning
02/15/2013 06:12 PM CST
If I still had dual load this probably wouldn't be an issue at all. :-(
Thanks for your test though, that does clarify things a bit.
Thanks for your test though, that does clarify things a bit.
KROONERMANREVENGE
Re: Trouble learning
02/15/2013 06:14 PM CST
> If I still had dual load this probably wouldn't be an issue at all. :-(
If you require specific weapons or moves to train a skill, I'd say that it's broken.
Pants.
If you require specific weapons or moves to train a skill, I'd say that it's broken.
Pants.
HEASTRENFHERO
Re: Trouble learning
02/15/2013 10:03 PM CST
14 minutes still locked bow without dual load. Seems pretty reasonable but were talking secondary vs primary. That's a big difference in lock time try adults again?
BARRACUDA
Re: Trouble learning
02/22/2013 06:33 PM CST
Adults:
Skill - 816
Agility - 80
Guild - Barbarian
Buffs - Eagle & Panther
Method - Single load, aim for 7 seconds (equivalent of full aim), fire. The only time I was not shooting was when I was skinning, which consists of 30-32 seconds of actions between skinning, tactics, hunt, and roaring.
Total time to 33/34 - 1448 seconds (24 minutes)
Better, but still not ideal considering melee at the same ranks takes roughly 7 minutes max.
Skill - 816
Agility - 80
Guild - Barbarian
Buffs - Eagle & Panther
Method - Single load, aim for 7 seconds (equivalent of full aim), fire. The only time I was not shooting was when I was skinning, which consists of 30-32 seconds of actions between skinning, tactics, hunt, and roaring.
Total time to 33/34 - 1448 seconds (24 minutes)
Better, but still not ideal considering melee at the same ranks takes roughly 7 minutes max.
DR-SOCHARIS
Re: Trouble learning
02/28/2013 10:59 PM CST
This has been fixed: http://forums.play.net/forums/DragonRealms/Combat%20-%20Weapons%20and%20Armor/Game%20Master%20and%20Official%20Announcements/view/176
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JF66070
Re: Trouble learning
03/04/2013 11:50 AM CST
Any idea when this will make it to TF?
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