Are you talking about the Barbarian pit? If so, the entire point system is based off circle relative to oneself. If you pit spar someone who has a higher circle than yourself, you'll be rewarded more points if you win. Likewise, if you pit spar someone who has a smaller circle than yourself, you'll be rewarded less points.

The max amount of points you can gain in one pit spar is 100 points. The smallest amount you can gain is 10 points.

Same thing in reverse if you lose. The most points you can lose in one pit spar is 100 points. The least you can lose is 10 points. It's why I try to encourage folks to pit spar anyone since if you're outclassed, you won't lose many points anyway.

If you leave out of the pit while someone else is in there with you then you lose half of your pit points. I remember waiting for a long for the person to figure out how to type 'GO PORT' and I left just as he walked in and lost so many points. I'd probably still be on Navak's heels if that didn't happen. :(

Also, you can spar the same person over and over. So yes, technically, you can rack up points if a friend is willing to die again and again. I know someone used to offer plats for people to take a dive but got their points stripped from the GMs. Think it was Slaris.


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>>Speaking of the pit, what would get you guys to start using it more, outside of not actually dying when you lose?

The pit specifically, or an arena in general?

With the pit, the biggest issue seems to be that everyone knows it favors barbs (dances/roars allowed, no spells of any sort allowed, crap points for killing people lower circle/giant points for killing someone bigger circle), which greatly limits people who are willing to even step foot in it. Maybe a way to set rules (i.e. buff spells only to counteract dances, make roars/spells on/offable), not sure if the coding would allow the arena to differentiate between things in such a way and on/off such things based on the rules told to the pit boss or whatever. (Personally I think all offensive magics and roars shouldn't be useable, it really should stay as a contest of weapon skills, not who has the most charisma/magic).

Make the calculation for points based on skills (defense + offense, tho it has it's own associated issues) instead of circle perhaps (again, no idea how hard that would be to code).

It's been a long time since I actually went into the pit, so not sure if the point board resets after a certain time or not. If not, it should after x time. The titles associated with it are kinda nice, and people like earning them.

>>Team combats. - have points based off who you kill and than a bonus awarded to the members of the winning team. This means that even if your team loses you can get points for your own kills.

FFA combat too! =)

Magic in the Barb arena isn't going to happen. {g}


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The Barb pit should never allow magic, simply because it's the Barbarian Pit. I don't think it should allow more than 1 vs. 1 either. Ranged weapons and stealth maybe (though I prefer it be melee only), but nothing more than that.

It's a traditional arena that will have its uses and always be feared as The Pit. An arena that others are literally (and I mean literally) afraid to step in with a Barb. People that don't really play Barbarians probably wouldn't understand why we would want to keep it similar to how it already is.

As far as the death part... I think it's what makes the Pit what it is. Now, it would be cool if there was an NPC Cleric and Empath there to help someone AFTER they die, but if not then I say it's fine as is.

>>Then the pit will continue to see little to no use at all.

The Pit sees more use than any arena in the game. All it takes is some organizing, ask Maulem's player. It's not much different than the tournaments that Szrael runs. If someone is willing to organize Pit nights (as Maulem did) then it gets plenty of use.

If anyone is concerned about a Barb using his or her's abilities then you can just ask them not to use them. Simple as that.

With all of that said... I do want an entirely different arena built. I don't want to change the Barb arena into something else, I want a new one. One that supports team battles, that allows magic, and basically runs similar to the cemetary tournaments. A system that drags eliminated folks out of the 5 room area and into the hands of a waiting NPC Empath. An arena in a conventiently located part of the game (not in some far corner in P5! :P). A win-loss or point system that tracks everyone and awards titles based on performance. Szrael mentioned some others as well.

I spoke to Solomon and a few others at the Con and they seemed interested in making something like that for us. I think this would be HUGE for the game. Not only would it draw more people back to the game, but I think along with the profile system it'll get rid of some headaches for the GMs since people will keep themselves busy more often.


Vinjince

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Well, at some point, it's not going to make much sense to have a separate arena for each possible permutation of rules.

So we have a Warrior Mage arena that allows magic, but no roars (just for spite) and also no windows to keep Moon Mages in line. Then we'll need a Thief Arena in the middle of the city to screw up the Ranger bonus. Then the Rangers will want one outside the town walls with their own bonus, but no roof so Bard instruments get wet.

That doesn't sound reasonable to me.


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>>Now, if I had the choice? I'd choose a cemetary-style arena automatically. So more than anything, I just want that arena!<<

Good mana, multiple rooms, a space free of bystanders, and a seating area from which people could observe a competition would make the arena a win.


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>>Well, isn't there a difference between the Pit and the Arena that's around the corner from the guild? Or are they the same. I've never been inside them, but I was under the impression that there was a Pit inside the guild, but also the Crossing Arena that's down the street.

I've heard about the Crossing Arena but it has always been closed down or something. There's messaging in one of the rooms near the Barb guild about a Crossing arena being nearby but it's nowhere to be found. I could swear a GM once said that it was gonna be a work in progress but instead they created the one in Steelclaw Clan. I could be wrong, though.


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I believe it was Iayn who last looked at it and said Champions Arena was 1)too old to be compatible with the game/arena mechs anymore and 2)not likely to be included in future arena plans and thus would remain closed. Think it was during the opening of the Pit and the discussions surrounding that.

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>>Doesnt the SCC have most of the things you folks are asking for? Only difference I can think of is that you have to use the arenas weapons not your own

Two main things with that one.

1. As you said, you gotta use the arena's weapons and armor. Kind of takes away the fun (especially for me since I use different LT weapons), as well give a major advantage (although I hate to bring it up) to those using magical spells instead of weapons.

2. Location. The reason why we have it in the cemetary is because it's right next to the Crossing, so it's much easier to get people to join. We got a couple folks to provide moongates but they may not always be around, and some players would prefer to stay in the surrounding area. Also, I don't think there's any NPC Clerics so if anyone end up dying then it may be harder to find Clerics around that area.


Vinjince

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I would use it more if khri were allowed considering its not magic and I've never seen a way to detect someone using it. Also does anyone know if the coin toss ability works in the pit? I've never seen a trader in there.

Just make the pit straight up melee, no magic and no "special vodoo".


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Just a note, there are fight nights in the works to begin in the next month or so at the amphitheater by request. The practice run of a new division formula will happen early December to see how well it works and work out any bugs.