Teleologic sorcery has a pretty negative history within the Moon Mage guild IC. I remember reading awhile back on the forums that Hylomorphic and Antinomic sorceries wouldn't necessarily have the same mechanical penalties and/or the same IC ramifications as teleologic sorcery. Obviously they're all illegal and scary to the ignorant peasants but are they as taboo to the scholars of the WM and Cleric guilds as teleogic is to the MM guild (not counting Tezirites)?

For warrior mage.... instead of 7 water or 7 elec spells... could we also have a option for 7 sum total spells from those two elements?

Like maybe 3 of one and 4 of the orher?

To elaborate a bit more:

The Moon Mage Guild's stance on general sorcery is essentially "don't ask don't tell." They'll turn on you if you make a public mess, but are tolerant enough that they even consider the Sorcery skill a qualification for advancement (most guilds do not).

It can be slightly more complex. The Moon Mages are twigged out by some specific sorceries, in particular necromancy and its aura of death-of-the-stars, and some sects are obviously more historically grounded in sorcery than other sects.

Taken together, Grejuva is absolutely correct to characterize it as the laxest of the three guilds. The Warrior Mages have both a vehicle for squashing sorcerers and a bad history surrounding it, and nothing screams a tendency towards orthodoxy like the High Temple.

-Armifer
"Perinthia's astronomers are faced with a difficult choice. Either they must admit that all their calculations were wrong ... or else they must reveal that the order of the gods is reflected exactly in the city of monsters." - Italo Calvino

>Does this work on incorporeal undead?

It does.

You slap Voldag hard in the face with your hand, making a nice crisp smack!! That's going to leave a mark!

>>Does this stack with a TM focus and does it work with SLS?

It does something different from the TM focus. And there's a reason SLS is a prereq. ;)

GM Grejuva

I absolutely love that virtually every magic prime has full steamed ahead down this path.

Out of curiosity, is the act of doing the research on par with using the spell in terms of mucking things up? Or is this a bit like low sorcery, where it's, to use Armifers analogy, akin to running your car on moonshine, where no one really cares until your car explodes?

Aren't doing it right?

We've got the basic gist of teleologic sorcery documented but the lore of antinomic sorcery is lean and hylomorphic sorcery lore is out of date (blackfire!). Are these lores something that's PAFO; to be gleaned from the research messaging and future development? Or is there an official lore description we could get for antinomic and hylomorphic sorceries in the interest of documentation?

https://elanthipedia.play.net/Category:Antinomic_Sorcery_spellbook

https://elanthipedia.play.net/Category:Hylomorphic_Sorcery_spellbook

https://elanthipedia.play.net/Category:Teleologic_Sorcery_spellbook

Elanthipedia: https://elanthipedia.play.net/Sorcery#Backlash_effects

Lists the effects of that backlash as: "Temporary Inability to sense mana or cast spells with loss of memorized scrolls"

I'd assume the scroll loss is baked into that particular backlash and not specifically tied to dropping to 0 mana.

Can't stand that backlash. I don't bother with researching sorcery, outside of getting the new High Sorcery spell, because it backlashes WAY more than normal casting. Now that I have the new spell I won't bother with it again unless they release a new spell.

You slap Voldag hard in the face with your hand, making a nice crisp smack!! That's going to leave a mark!

Is there any documentation / lore on what Hylomorphic Corruption? What happens to someone? How long does it last? What generates it? Got a 'friend' asking about it....

Thank You. Makes sense what happened to my 'friend'... Just unclear if it was just from casting or their backfires... assuming moreso the casting then backfires.

This is charming! I may have to compromise my character's principles for this.

I really like how the new corruptions aren't just reskins but weird new mechanics. Very nice work in theme and implementation.

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"Warrior Mages don't bother covering up their disasters.
They're proud of them." -Raesh, on history

>>Sorry for the necro, but are there any plans or interest in incorporating this new spell into an infusion for elemental weapons?

If you mean something like a bless, nope. The currently approved hylomorphic spells are all different effects.

I could see Aethrolysis working with Barrage, but that ability is in need of its own review.

GM Grejuva

>>So a hylomorphic infusion is off the table? I get it it, but that's too bad :/

If it helps any, you asked if the particular spell would be incorporated into the infusion system, not if there wouldn't be any hylomorphic metaspell that interacted with summoned elemental weapons.

Just spitballing, but it would be neat if someone with knowledge of hylomorphic metaspell X could circumvent some (all?) of the material costs of summoning elemental weapons (metal not having to be as rare, or there not being any kind of metal degradation when summoning) at the cost of a pulsing spirit drain (which fits with the current theme of hylomorphic damage, at least).

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