I've got a temporary solution up at https://elanthipedia.play.net/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Scroll_Spells which should list all the spells in the current scroll system. Assuming we have every spell correctly labelled as signature or non-signature. I'll be figuring out the best way to get all of the spells on that list to be in one table instead of having the signature spell scroll only ones separated out.

This actually reminds me of a question I had... Melete's list of signature spells listed several pre-requisite spells that are signature but did not list some of the spells that required those signature spells as signature. In some cases this doesn't result in a conflict because they aren't linked in usage, but in others it doesn't make sense in the new scroll system. E.g. Focus Moonbeam, Seer's Sense, and Teleport were listed as signature by Melete, but Contingency was not so it supposedly still drops as a scroll despite not functioning for non-Moon Mages given the inability to use the other three spells. Is this just a quirk of the system, or was it simply that some spells were missed in the posted list of signature spells?

I can't seem to find Melete's list of signature spells in the easy to navigate forums and it doesn't appear to have been directly logged on elanthipedia, otherwise I would post a link to it for reference.

That was a list of every spell currently in the scroll system.

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Signature is one variable.
Scroll is another.
Quest is another (Though I can't think of a case where a quest spell wouldn't be signature and would appear on a scroll).

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Damn it, you got my hopes up.

I was hoping this would be a post about Mo destroying magic.

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<Further, the Harnessing Efficiency feat it will be much more useful than before.

You know, that raises a serious question for me as to what exactly Efficient Harnessing does, and I haven't been able to track down any other answers. Perhaps my Google-Fu is weak. Does it:

A) Aid only when you use the HARNESS verb
B) Aid when you use the HARNESS verb and when you channel into cambrinth
C) Aid both of the above plus extra mana put into spells, such as PREP SUF 50

It aids in the use of mana in general.

>>And Tert magic getting better always makes me smile heh.

I can't replicate this. Logs please?

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

Any chance you could tone down the inefficient mana aspect of sorcerous TM? Unlike other sorcery, which is not really spam casted, TM is, and the current mana drain is making sorcerous TM really tough. It's not undoable, but it's considerably slower. I just picked up efficient harnessing at the same time this change went in with one of the newbs I'm playing with, and the attunement hit from TM sorcery is still brutal compared to before this change.

> I'm confused.

Samsaren wrote this: "And Tert magic getting better always makes me smile heh." This was in reference to the mana efficiency change. You replied with: "I can't replicate this. Logs please?" Perhaps you quoted the wrong thing?

I'm still getting the strange messaging on Eagle's Cry -- it happens only when the target actually dies. I'll bug it in-game to see if there's any info behind the scenes that will help nail it down.

So i noticed Incinerate is not on there, didn't expect it to be, but is there an ETA (besides soon) for the Hylomorphic spellbook?


Rehlyn

A Maelshyvean shadow beast slows long enough to deeply inhale some of the swirling shadows surrounding it. After a moment, it sighs with great releif and blackness oozes from its ears and nostrils.

Here's a log:

A musk hog lumbers in, filling the air with a foul odor.
>tar ec
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
With calm movements you prepare your body for the Eagle's Cry spell.
You turn to face a musk hog.
You begin to weave mana lines into a target pattern around a musk hog.
>
Your formation of a targeting pattern around a musk hog has completed.
>
The musk hog begins to advance on you!
The musk hog is still a distance away from you and is closing steadily.
>cast
You raise your left hand skyward and make a forward motion.
With a piercing cry, an eagle formed of blue-green energy swoops down from above and behind you, streaking straight towards the musk hog!
The eagle swoops past the musk hog's abdomen, claws lightly grazing it.

Roundtime: 1 sec.
>tar ec
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
With calm movements you prepare your body for the Eagle's Cry spell.
You begin to weave mana lines into a target pattern around a musk hog.
>
You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.
>
The musk hog closes to pole weapon range on you!
>
The musk hog closes to melee range on you!
>
A musk hog hisses viciously and lunges at you!
* Tentatively, a musk hog lowers its head, snorting angrily and charges at you. You partially block with a lava drake-hide targe with fitted seams.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
>
Your formation of a targeting pattern around a musk hog has completed.
>cast
You raise your left hand skyward and make a forward motion.
With a piercing cry, an eagle formed of blue-green energy swoops down from above and behind you, streaking straight towards the musk hog!
The eagle swoops past the musk hog's right hindleg, leaving thin scratches.

Roundtime: 1 sec.
A musk hog hisses viciously and lunges at you!
* Looking as if this were a bad idea, a musk hog claws, swiping with its hooves at you. You dodge, stepping aside with ease.
[You're solidly balanced and in better position.]
>tar ec
Since you're not feeding enough power into the spell pattern to make it coherent, you quickly work your way to the minimum required.
That won't affect your current attunement very much.
With calm movements you prepare your body for the Eagle's Cry spell.
You begin to weave mana lines into a target pattern around a musk hog.
>
You feel fully attuned to the mana streams again.
>
A musk hog hisses viciously and lunges at you!
* In a weak and directionless display of aggression, a musk hog claws, swiping with its hooves at you. You evade, bending aside easily.
[You're solidly balanced and have slight advantage.]
>cast
You raise your left hand skyward and make a forward motion.
With a piercing cry, an eagle formed of blue-green energy swoops down from above and behind you, streaking straight towards the musk hog!
The eagle swoops past the musk hog's back, slicing thin gashes that quickly frost over.

The musk hog falls to the ground and lies still.
Emotional pain and exhaustion lingers in your mind, even after you regain rational control.
Roundtime: 1 sec.
>

BTW: Since all I've done in this thread is talk about bugs, I should say thanks for the changes in this update!

>cast
You raise your left hand skyward and make a forward motion.
With a piercing cry, an eagle formed of blue-green energy swoops down from above and behind you, streaking straight towards the musk hog!
The eagle dexterously plucks out the musk hog's right eye with its claws, snapping the cords binding it to its body! As the eagle soars off, the eye quickly freezes over before being mercilessly crushed between the claws.

The musk hog screams one last time and lies still.
Roundtime: 1 sec.

Harumph.

I'm at a loss. Can anyone else replicate this with anything different? Different class? Different creature? Different spell?

-Raesh

"Ever notice that B.A.'s flavor text swells in direct proportion to how much one of our characters is getting screwed?" - Brian Van Hoose

I'm beginning to wonder if it's more that my character is bugged, instead of the change itself. I was on the ranger character working TM when the changes would have rolled in. Is it possible something would have snagged with it? (If it's not obvious, I know nothing about coding or how these things work.)

Anyway, it's just a weird thing.

<<What mana mix are you using?>>

Necromancer with elemental intro TM spell. Then attunement hit tripled to 15-18% per TM cast. And that's after taking efficient harnessing. It's doable, sticking around < 20 attunement (because of regen rate) but it seems pretty brutal if Armifer wanted sorcerous TM to be feasible on a regular basis. As you said, I'll look for the foci to help here.

It seems like harnessing some mana consumes quite a lot more attunement now than it did before. Like something went backward with the efficiency changes, maybe? Magic secondary, and I have the Efficient Harnessing feat. I don't remember exactly what it did before, but now harnessing 15 in a Fulgent room eats about 9% of my attunement with 846 ranks. It feels like I'm eating through attunement a lot faster now though.

Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor

Seemed to just be HARNESSing. CAST and CHARGE took about 3% of my attunement in the same room that HARNESS took 9% using the same amount of mana. It happened on the harness action itself, not on casting with held mana.

Thanks,
-Life Sustainer Karthor