I don't seem to be getting much (or any) more bang for my buck when prepping shatter above the min prep armor damage-wise. Once I find where the creature doesn't shake off the effects of the armor damage with MR, there's no reason to add more mana, from what I see.

IE: It'll take me 3 preps of shatter to destroy an adan'f warrior's shield, regardless if the preps were 8 or 18.

Can we cast Shatter on other citizens now ? I haven't had a chance to check yet.
And if we can't, why not ?

Neci

It was decided by the Paladins Gurus that the Smites (and their combination, Shatter) would remain unusable against the 11.

GM Damissak

Alright so when are we going to get another IC reason for why we can't cast shatter on people ? The compact makes no record of a spell called Shatter.

And I echo Pureblade's question about SF. It doesn't damage armor and it's no more powerful then any other damage spell a lot less then other damage spells matter of fact.

Necidem

> Alright so when are we going to get another IC reason for why we can't cast shatter on people ? The compact makes no record of a spell called Shatter.


(a) A rose by any other name smells just as sweet. Shatter IS Smite Weapon and Smite Shield merged - changing the name doesn't change the nature of the spell itself. It's not like the gods would have let us use it in the old days if we took to calling them Shieldsmacker and Weaponcrusher among ourselves. Chadatru> "Oh, that was okay. He doesn't call that one Smite Weapon, so it doesn't apply to the Compact."

(b) Since magic is still in preview technically, there's no reason to assume there won't be an IC reason once it goes back out of Preview - not that one is necessary. See point A.

>>Smite Foe for THAT purpose

Yes they did.

GMs just don't want us using smite foe against players. That's the bottom line.

> GMs just don't want us using smite foe against players. That's the bottom line.

Bingo!

Lanival ate bunnies. Oh, Lanival is dead, he won't even know if its changed :P

As per Damissak's request, I am bringing this here from the Paladin folders (although he said take it to "life" magic, I am pretty sure he meant "holy" <grins>)

The Magic "preview" is rapidly drawing to a close, meaning most of the spells are where the GM's want them to be. This causes me a great deal of concern when it comes to shatter.
The spell was redesigned so that it is now most effective against unarmored critters who have been injured or are below the Paladin's level (for the most part).

It seems to me that the whole concept behind the original spells (smite weapon and smite shield) was to allow the Paladin to be more effective against ARMORED critters with weapons, which is exactly opposite of where it is at now.

I really liked smite shield as I could use it to "de-shield" critters like Adan'f Warriors or the Spire denizens, but it can no longer be used to do that.

So, I guess what I am asking is, Is shatter going to remain a spell that only works against "natural" critters, or is there any intent to have it be useful against armored critters? If it is going to be only for natural critters, then is there any chance of getting a NEW spell that works the way smite shield used to? A spell that will allow us to get rid of shields on critters, to be more effective against armored foes?

Because the effect of shatter is spread across ALL of a critter's equipment, the spell is useless against armored foes. A lot of us asked if there was any chance of allowing us to "focus" the effects of shatter so that we could direct the whole force of the spell against a shield, or a weapon, or a single piece of armor etc. I've never seen any kind of response to that request.

Any chance of that happening so that we can use the spell as its original concept intended or are we just out of luck?? Any GM response would be great!

Quick Summary:

1. Is shatter going to remain as is (only good against unarmored critters who are already injured or far below the Paladin's level)?

2. If no, can we get some sort of mechanism for focusing the power of the spell against a single item of equipment, like a shield or weapon (I am NOT asking for TM here!)?

3. If yes, can we get a NEW spell that will do what smite shield and smite weapon were originally designed to do, give Paladins a way of destroying a shield, weapon or piece of armor?

Thanks!

Gloryarm

>> As an example I posted on the Paladin boards that on a recent excursion to Aesry, Lennon who was simply looking for some answers about his past was attacked by a mealey-mouthed pirate. Not wanting to just kill the offender he tried to shatter his weapon and armor, as a means to make him run off. After five casts of 6 preped 20 harnessed shatter, none of the pirates items were destroyed. On the next advance Lennon did slay him, he felt he had no other recourse. After praying that the All-god have mercy on both his and the pirates soul he examined the leather jerkin and cutlass and found that while they were scratched and notched, they were not ready to break yet.

One point I'ld like to make here is that damage to weapons and armor (rather than total destruction) is something we'll continue to see. If is the direction of combat equipment damage that it will be quite difficult to completely destroy something. With that said, damage to said equipment is extremely effective in reducing its effectiveness. If you don't believe me, try using equipment like you mentioned the next time you get it (and test relative to unblemished equipment).

This post is not a comment one way or the other with regards to the suggestions made for the spell but I did want to lay out where equipment damage itself stands.

GM Damissak

>> What about the issue where increased mana doesn't increase spell's effectiveness, Damissak?

I wasn't commenting specifically on the spell. It isn't one that I have worked on so I don't really know it well.

It is possible that (for the example given) lower mana casts are reaching the single attack maximum allowed damage (to prevent insta-destruction of combat equipment). If that is the case, more mana won't produce more equipment damage since it is already at the max for that cast.

GM Damissak

>> 1) When something is destroied, anything that would get damaged after that item isn't affected by the spell (everything before is, though). I'm sure this isn't meant to be. The fact that you end up having to cast multiple times when you really shouldn't have to severely hinders the spell.

That sounds like a bug (I don't think its been looked into but will get fixed in time).

>> 2) Extra mana does nothing when affecting the target's equipment. If a prep of 5 does '10' damage to a sword, a prep of 50 would do '10 damage as well. This is only the case when affecting equipment, extra mana does do extra damage when attacking the critter's body itself.

That is going to be situational. I think I described what is happening there in another post on shatter (essentiall, in situations where you are already winning by quite a bit, you are hitting the single instance damage limiter - preventing insta destruction of combat equipment).

GM Damissak

>That is going to be situational. I think I described what is happening there in another post on shatter (essentiall, in situations where you are already winning by quite a bit, you are hitting the single instance damage limiter - preventing insta destruction of combat equipment).

As Shatter is quite limited by the completely OOC Lanival's Compact and therefore cannot be used against players, why does it have the additional limitation of being coded to prevent 'insta destruction of combat equipment'?

I would much rather have the compact struck down and walk the starry road, but as it seems it is here to stay, why add an additional limitation to this spell?

~player of Coine~

---

Need cosmetic surgery? Get Shift.

http://www.coalition.fairmount.nu